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YOUNG,  Riel Alva

YOUNG, Riel Alva

Male 1893 - 1967  (74 years)

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  • Name YOUNG, Riel Alva 
    Born 15 Jan 1893  Boone County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  [1
    Gender Male 
    Occupation Farmer 
    Died 18 Jun 1967  Lebanon, Boone County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Buried Dover Cemetery, Dover, Boone County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  [2
    Notes 
    • The Family of Riel Alva Young and Eva Golena Grimes Young June 30, 1990 Marc A. Galvin (Handwritten note at top Draft - in progress MAG14 Nov 91)

      Riel Alva Young and Eva Grimes, both natives of Jefferson Township, Boone County, Indiana, were married on August 7, 1915 in Danville, Illinois. Weddings in Danville were a custom of the time as many of their Boone County contemporaries were also married in Illinois, just across the Indiana state line.

      Grandpa (Riel) Young grew up on-half mile west of Dover on his father's farm which is now owned by Charles Acton. The family of Robert Acton lives in the house. Grandma Young was also a Doverite. Grandma and Grandpa Young had six children: Clarel Riel, Marilyn, Harold Eugene, Robert George, Marjorie and Margaret. Most were born west of Dover in the house later occupied by William Wayne and Lucile Young until 1966. Uncle Wayne was Riel's little brother.

      Looking back on Young family history, some information is verifiable, some is yet to be documented and some will always be speculative. This is true of nearly any family's story. Nevertheless, it is interesting to know something about our "roots".

      Granda (Riel) Young's father, Otis Uriel Young, was born in 1868 in Boone County. He was one of nine children born to George T. Young and Margaret C. Burroughs Young. Although two unnamed children died as infants (1863 & 1885). His siblings were Cornelia (1865), Freddie (1870), Jonnie M. (?), Nora B. (1874), Malinda (1877), and Margaret Eveline (1880).

      Aunt Nora was a long-time school teacher, educational administrator, and family historian.

      Otis Uriel married Elzada Sanford (b. 1872) in 1892. Grandpa (Riel), their first child, was born May 1, 1893. He was followed by William Wayne "Uncle Wayne" (July 9, 1897) and Nellie Gray (Aunt Nell) born March 15, 1895. Uncle Wayne died in 1982 and Aunt Nell lives on North Lebanon Street in Lebanon.

      An infant son of Otis and Elzadea Young died soon after birth in 1900. Otis Young and Elzada Sanford's marriage ended in divorce. Elzada Sanford Young died of gall bladder complications in 1919 at Aunt Nell's house in Indianapolis. In 1922(?) Otis Young married Della Stottler. As she was Grandma (Eva) Young's older half-sister, she was better known as Aunt Dell (In her advancing age, Uncle Wayne bought her Lebanon house, then later sold it to her children).

      Otis Uriel, Elzada Sanford Young, Aunt Dell, and Uncle Wayne are all buried at Shannondale Cemetery on State Road 32 across the Boone County line in Montgomery County.

      George T. Young was born April 12, 1841 in Boone County, son of William Young and Mary "Polly" Van Nice (also Van Nuys) Young of Montgomery County, Indiana. She was born September 23, 1800 in Mercer County, Kentucky. William and Polly were married January 13, 1835. Their first son was John Van Nice Young, born December 17, 1836.

      Here it gets convoluted. Although no mention is made in the Kingman_Brother's Atlas of Boone County Indiana (1876), George and John had several half brothers and half sisters. This is likely true and here are their names and birth dates: Eliza Ann b. Mary 17, 1817, William Carroll b. June 4, 1819, Margaret Jane b. February 9, 1823, and Robert Finley, b. January 6, 1827. William 's first wife, Jane Rutledge died September 4, 1830. She lived in Indiana less than a year. Jane Rutledge Young was the first burial in Shannondale Cemetery.

      William Young, Indiana pioneer in December 1829, was born December 24, 1790 at the Young Homestead near Rogersville, Tennessee. He and Jane Rutledge were married December 14, 1814 (this is verified in Montgomery County, Virginia marriage bond records 1812-1818). It is said that Ms. Rutledge was from Wythe County, Virginia, however. What became of the families of William Young's and Jane Rutledge Young's children, I do not know. They have may returned to Tennessee. William Young 1790-1869, also buried at Shannondale, was the son of John Young (b. July 14, 1763) and Margaret Galbraith Young (b. November 23, 1770). There is some indication that this Margaret was a pipe smoker which was not terribly uncommon among women on the Tennessee frontier.

      William Young bought 204 (1829:maybe more later) acres of land at $1.25 per acre at the Crawfordsville Land Office. (on November 23, 1829 160 acres; Dec 1, 1929 4 Acres; Crawfordsville, Indiana Land Entries 1820-1830 compiled by Janel Owen 1985 in Indiana State Library). Tradition says that he served "several months in the war of 1812". If true, * this may have been his source of cash to buy land in Indiana. Did he serve under Andrew Jackson along with Davy Crockett? I will find out. Another possibility for cash is inheritance. The Saturday, January 20, 1827 "National Banner" and "National Whig" gave an obituary notice for William Young, Esq. who died in Hawkins County, Tennessee. [Tradition indicates that this would be our William's (1790-1869 ) grandfather but proof is lacking.] Handwritten note by mag probably not. Nonetheless, William Young, after living in a rough log home, built a fine brick home which is today the residence of Mr and Mrs Byron Loveless. This property was sold by the heirs (Marion Young) of John V. Young during the Great Depression.

      *Mary Young of Shannondale, Montgomery Co., Indiana received a pension as an "1812 widow" of $8.00 per month beginning March 1879. source Senate Executive Document 84, 47th Congress, 2nd Session, 1741?

      Before 1800, we have a problem of which William, which John, and which Robert. Frances Young Shumacher (1877-1974) told me and others that William Young (not 1790...) was born in Virginia in 1741 and was the father of John Young born at Long Meadow (Young homestead) in Hawkins County, Tennessee in 1763, the first white child in Hawkins County. (following text has been struck through:.....If this were true he would have been the first white child born in Tennessee period. This is doubtful unless lost to the historians of Tennessee. Also, if the main log room of the house in Tennessee at Long Meadow was built in 1763, as Frances Shumacher asserted, it would probably be the first house built by whites in Tennessee. This is also doubtful however, (end strike through)it is possible, without proof that William Young (1741?) was quietly living on the Great Warpath (Cherokee Indians). Many of the Hawkins County, Tennessee records were burned by marauding Yankees in November 1863. We do know that in 1809 that the Young's paid taxes in Hawkins County.

      La nd White Polls Bla ck Polls Young, John 1302 Acr ess 1 2

      (Creekmore, Pollyana. "Early East Tennessee Taxpayers; Easley, SC; Southern Historical Press. 1980) P 169 McCoy's Co., 1809 The Young's did indeed own slaves in Tennessee; I have seen slave graves. A John Young (Very not likely our kin) was a member of the North Carolina Continental Line, Ballards Company, 6th Regiment (private 1779-1782) during the Revolutionary War. Remember that Tennessee did not exist until1 796.

      Family tradition also states that William Young (1741) was also in the Revolutionary War and fought at King's Mountain. This is quite unlikely (mag). A William Young (which one?) was a member of the Overton Lodge No. 5 (Mas onic) in Rogersville in the 1820's. (Probably Wm. Young Esq.) *A William Young made a deposition in 1814 concerning land of number 1838 Hawkins County, Tennessee as one of the heirs of Robert Young regarding the entry of land on 7 October 1814. *Tenn State archives (Nashville) cannot locate this deposition as of March 1990, mag

      Our William Young (1790-1869) was Jefferson township, Boone County, Indiana Justice of the Peace in the early 1830's. His brother, Claibourne (also spelled Clayburne, Clayborn) Young also emigrated from Tennessee to Boone County, Indiana. Claibourne was a Presbyterian Minister (Scot-Irish folks are big on predestination) and held the first church services in the area in William's cabin. A marker on a big rock in a field just west of Shannondale commemorates Claibourne Young's activities. Claibourne founded the Presbyterian churches at Shannondale, Thorntown, and Lebanon. I do not know if he started the now extinct Presbyterian Church at Dover. None of the Young's mentioned so far are listed among Boone County soldiers in the Civil War. There were three kin named Young in the 11th Indiana Regiment from Boone County (mustered at Thorntown). They joined August 31, 1861 and were Henry V. discharged August 16, 1862, disability; Solomon, died January 2, 1864 Meadsville, Alabama; and Clayborn (son of Claibourne) discharged January 2, 1864.

      They may all have been Reverend Claibourne's sons. Clayborn, Jr., ended up at Harvard Divinity School, rejected Presbyterianism and wrote poetry. Uncle Wayne tried to join the Army for WWI but was not allowed to because of the influenza epidemic and quarantine of 1918. I am not aware that other Youngs were participants in military activities between the War of 1812 and Work War II when Harold Eugene served in France, and the Korean War when Robert George was in Korea.

      Grandpa (Riel) and his father were either too old or too young during other times of conflict. Grandma Young (Eva) during the Vietnam era advised at least one grandson that should he be drafted she would pay his way to Canada because "My boys have seen enough of war!" Suffice it to say that the grandson so advised was shocked at her seemingly uncharacteristic comment.

      Grandpa Young (Riel), Grandma Young Eva), their daughter Marilyn, and son Harold are buried at Dover Cemetery for which Grandpa Young was a long- time trustee. Morris Galvin, husband of Margaret Young Galvin is currently a trustee of Dover Cemetery. Grandpa and Grandma Young were long-time members of the Dover Christian Church.

      Interestingly, it is said that it took quite some time for Granda Young to become a deacon because of his colorful language. At the same time, he was known as a gentleman and a gentle person. He died of a stroke at Witham Memorial Hospital in Lebanon after a long stay at Robert Long Hospital (Indiana University) in Indianapolis. (18 Jun) Grandpa Young was a Christian, a yellow-dog Democrat (he once said that he voted for the best man and that it was not his "fault that the worst Democrat was better than the best Republican"), a Mason, and a member of Eastern Star.

      Although primarily a farmer, he also took trips to Memphis, Tennessee to buy cattle. As a child, his father, (Otis) also a farmer, had some sheep which Grandpa called "Westerns," his nomenclature for crossbred market sheep. Grandpa told of the time he sat on a fence past and "deviled" a buck (ram") by dangling his feet down the side of the post. When the buck would charge, Grandpa moved his feet, the buck would butt the post. After a few times, the buck sat down and died. As Grandpa said, "I got a licking for that."

      Grandpa and Grandma Young did not join the Ku Klux Klan when it was all the rage in Indiana in the 1920's. Grandma said that Grandpa thought it was tied into the Republicans and he did not want to have anything to do with it. Grandpa and Grandma's best friends were members, however.

      Grandpa's favorite presidents were Franklin Roosevelt, Theodore Roosevelt, and Harry Truman. He did not like Herbert Hoover at all blaming the Great Depression on President Hoover. "If we had not had milk cows, I don't known how we would have made it." *(Not Documented Highly Unlikely = mag) Family tradition states that Harry Truman is a distant relative (his mother was a Young) but the evidence is inconclusive. Theodore Roosevelt was probably the first president that Grandpa remembered. At least in his later years.

      Grandpa Young loved to go to the Dover Garage and "loaf". Older men would gather at Ralph and Elizabeth Endicott's Wheel Horse dealership, eat peanuts, and pull soft drinks from the cold water of the vending machine. Grandpa was partial to RC Cola and Milky Way candy bars. Grandpa chewed Horseshoe Tobacco which came in hard rectangles. He would cut off a "chaw" with his ever-ready pocketknife. At least once he shaved some chewing tobacco with a young grandson with the admonition, "When you get sick you don't tell your Grandma why."

      Grandma Eva Golena Grimes Young was almost a year older than Grandpa. From May 1 to June 18 each year, they were the "same age". Grandma Young was born just north of Dover on June 18, 1892, daughter of Bloomfield Grimes (D. 1928) and Fannie Green Grimes (b. 1856-d 1949).

      Grandpa and Grandma Grimes built the house just south of Dover which was known as Grandpa and Grandma Young's house. The house was built in 1915 and lumber for its construction was hauled from Lebanon on hay wagons.

      Grandma Young was seemingly more strict than Grandpa. at least in their later years While Grandpa Young expected high great efforts, Grandma Young demanded them. She was also a staunch Democrat. She enjoyed the prosecution and persecution of the Richard Nixon Administration during the Watergate hearings. Grandma Young also was very opposed to the use of alcoholic beverages. At the same time there is evidence that Grandpa Young was not.

      Her best lifelong friend was Iva Stewart, Grandma's cousin, wife of Basil Stewart. They lived just east of Dover and it was with them Grandpa and Grandma vacationed in the upper peninsula of Michigan for several years during hay fever season in early September. Grandma Young's favorite color was pink. Many recall her pink stove, pink wrought iron kitchen table with a glass top, and her efforts to find a pink refrigerator. She also had Christmas lights which were tiny pink roses which she annually strung around a large mirror in the living room. Too, many of her dresses were pink.

      Grandma Young enjoyed shopping and had a certain panache in doing so. Evidently, Margaret and Marjorie were a little uneasy shopping in one of the nice ladies clothing stores in Lebanon. It seems that some of the sales personnel were a little "high and mighty". Grandma told her daughters not to worry about those women, "If they know so much, why are they selling clothes?" Grandma had class. Although she spent most of her time in housedresse s, she would certainly not leave home dressed that way. Trips to the grocery store or even the four mile trip to the Bank of Advance required on of her pink "Sunday dresses", make up, and white gloves. For several years prior to her death, each new dress purchase was, "The one I want to be buried in." Grandma was buried in a pink dress.

      The Grimes family was long in Jefferson Township. It is unsubstantiated that a Revolutionary War veteran, named Grimes is buried in the Cox Cemetery in northwest Jefferson Township. Bloomfield Grimes lost an eye to an accident when putting in telephones. Fannie Grimes, according to her obituary, was the daughter of James and Martha Ellen Smith Green. There are related Greens today around Hazelrigg, between Dover and Lebanon. She was born in Pleasureville, Kentucky and moved to Indiana at the age of seven. She was a member of the former Baptist Church at Dover (the Dover Cemetery is at that site). She was married twice, first to the Reverend John Jackson, a Baptist minister, who died in 1878, and second to Bloomfield Grimes. She had six children including Grandma (Eva) Young. The others were John Grimes, Della Young, Mrs. Wallace Grims ?) and two deceased by 1949, Mrs. Della Evans and an infant.

      Fannie (Grandma Grimes) lived at Grandpa and Grandma Young's house for several years and was confined to a wheelchair her last fifteen years of life. Grandma Grimes died in 1949 at the age of 93; she and her husband Bloomfield are buried at Dover Cemetery. Grandma Grimes was also an ardent Democrat. Jefferson Township Boone County was one of the first locations in the United States to have rural electrification. As one would expect, early electrical service was not dependable. It is said that when the lights went out, Grandma Grimes blamed it on "the damned Republicans!" Another family story is that when she married (which time?) it was a time of heavy rain a nd a buggy or wagon could not get through for them to set up housekeeping. She and her husband carried all they could on horseback and she temporarily used a corncob for a rolling pin.

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      Eva Young detested the use of alcohol. She made it a habit to always buy the same thing for each of her grandchildren each Christmas (after they became adults). One year she purchase each grandchild a lovely and unusual pitcher. No one had the heart to tell her that they were Cianti wine pitchers.

      Eva and Riel opened their home to the children of two of their deceased children, Clare and Marilyn Anita Young Johnson. After Marilyn died, Ted, Karen Sue and Judy stayed at their house for several years. Ted alway loved going up to Dover to visit - I think these years were the happiest of his life.

      While The Johnson children were living in Dover so was Dick Young and his brother. Ted tells the story of a Bull that the boys didn't care for at all. They all felt it was just plain mean. One day Riel had the boys help him load the bull into a trailer. While they were waiting for Riel to get back into the truck, they starting shooting the bull with a BB gun. Riel couldn't see the boys in their hiding place and had no idea what they were doing. All he could see was this bull going crazy in the open trailer. He decided then and there that the bull was crazy and to ok it to market and sold it. They boys never did tell him of their prank.
    Person ID I237  oldham
    Last Modified 2 Dec 2013 

    Father YOUNG, Otis Uriel,   b. 14 Oct 1868, Boone County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 30 Oct 1952, Thorntown, Boone County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 84 years) 
    Mother SANFORD, Elzada,   b. 1872,   d. 1919, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 47 years) 
    Family ID F148  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

    Family GRIMES, Eva G.,   b. 18 Jun 1892, Boone County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 1973, Dover, Boone County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 80 years) 
    Married 7 Aug 1915  Lebanon, Boone County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location 
    Children 
     1. YOUNG, Clarel Riel,   b. 6 May 1916, Boone County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 10 May 1959, Montgomery County, Ohio, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 43 years)
     2. YOUNG, Marilyn Anita,   b. 1919, Boone County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 16 May 1948, Indianapolis, Marion County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 29 years)
     3. YOUNG, Harol Eugene Bud,   b. 29 Sep 1921, Boone County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 21 Sep 1977, Indianapolis, Marion County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 55 years)
     4. YOUNG, Robert G.
     5. YOUNG, Margaret,   b. 22 Jul 1931, Boone County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 16 Jun 2012, Boone County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 80 years)
     6. YOUNG, Margorie,   b. 22 Jul 1931, Boone County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location,   d. 5 Dec 1995, Boone County, Indiana, USA Find all individuals with events at this location  (Age 64 years)
    Photos
    Grimes<br>  Riel Alva and Eva Grimes Young
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    Riel Alva and Eva Grimes Young

    Last Modified 29 Nov 2013 
    Family ID F147  Group Sheet  |  Family Chart

  • Event Map
    Link to Google MapsBorn - 15 Jan 1893 - Boone County, Indiana, USA Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsMarried - 7 Aug 1915 - Lebanon, Boone County, Indiana, USA Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsDied - 18 Jun 1967 - Lebanon, Boone County, Indiana, USA Link to Google Earth
    Link to Google MapsBuried - - Dover Cemetery, Dover, Boone County, Indiana, USA Link to Google Earth
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  • Sources 
    1. [S324] The Family of Riel Alva Young and Eva Golena Grimes Young, Marc A. Galvin, (Marked as draft 14 nov 1991).

    2. [S1680] Cemetery Records.